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April 7, 2010

The Truthseeker newsletter vol.3

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Foreword: For this newsletter the New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures was used predominantly. We will quote from other bibles also in the future. Look out for the article: “Which bible is best for you?”
I was once a part of a religion that believed that they were the only true religion on earth. When speaking about the organization members would describe the brotherhood as the “truth”. As a member I used to describe it as the truth also. I no longer consider this organization the only true religion on earth. It took many years for me to come to this understanding. Under close scrutiny many religions tend to go beyond the basic truths of the bible and include parts to their doctrine or establishment that are unacceptable. By Clayton Dunmore
Subject: “How can you tell a false religion?”
For me personally, I tend to view most christian establishments as false when I see a certain idol either on top of the church or inside of the church. I will get into the topic of idols deeper at another time. It is a deep discussion. (1 Corinthians 10:14, Col.3:5) The bible does indicate that idolatry cannot be a part of true worship.
If there is one true religion, I have not found it. I would like to work towards forming worldwide congregations that would follow the god of the bible wholeheartedly and according to gods word. I implore you to continue following this newsletter as we embark on completing that goal. It is not as hard as it may seem.  We have blueprints of other organizational uprisings to learn from. Please take our messages seriously and study the articles with your bible to come to you own full understanding of the truths that we unleash and discover. These messages that are being delivered are very likely to be the most important messages that you will ever receive. We may make spelling errors. (Rom. 5:12) But the conclusions that are drawn from gods word the bible will be gods word. And the god of the bible is a god of truth.

Subject: “What is hell?”

Our lifespan as humans is somewhere from 70 years to 90 years and possibly more if we are fortunate. What could someone do within that short lifespan to warrant eternal torment. Due to the fact that sin entered the world because of Adam, we became imperfect. (Gen.3, Rom.5:12) The god of the bible is also a god of love and forgiveness. (Isa. 55:7 and John 3:16) God loves us so much that he gave his only begotten son so that we could attain everlasting life. Why would a god who loves us create a hell or allow there to be a hell where persons could be tormented forever for things that happen during a short lifespan? The bible does not indicate that hell is a place of everlasting torment.  In fact the bible indicates that hell is aplace of inactivity.  As far as hell or Sheol goes the bible states at ecclesiastes 9:10 “All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power. For there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in Sheol, the place to which you are going.” The bible book ecclesiastes was written in Hebrew. Sheol is a Hebrew word.  Websters new college dictionary defines Sheol as hell.  Or a place described in the old testament  as the abode of the dead.  Fire is used symbolycally in the bible.  At Matthew 25:41 it reads” Be on your way from me, you who have been cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”  Since the devil is not a physical being, he cannot be burned by literal fire. The fire is spoken of as everlasting fire.  Fire is something that we as humans can identify with.  That is why this reference was used.  Satan will be destroyed eventually.  (Rev.20:10) The bible may not be speaking literally when it says in revelations that satan would be placed in a lake of fire and tormented forever at Revelation 20:10.  Whether that verse is literal or not, the word forever is used.  Therefore satans stronghold over man will be ended. 

   Hades is the greek word for hell.  The new testament is translated from greek.  In Websters new college dictionary Hades is defined as the abode or home of the dead.  It is also defined as hell.  At Rev. 20:13 it reads: “And the sea gave up those dead in it, and death and Hades gave up those dead in them, and they were judged individually according to their deeds.  Rev. 20:14 reads: “And death and Hades were hurled into the lake of fire.  This means the second death, the lake of fire.” Remember at verse 13 it said that Hades gave gave up those dead in them and they were judged.  This shows that Hades is not a place that cannot be escaped.  The dead will escape from Hades or hell as prophesied.  All the prophecies in the bible have come true so far.  At Rev. 20:14 it sais that death was hurled into the lake of fire.  This shows symbollism.  Death itself cannot be hurled into a literal fire.  It just doesn’t make sense logically.  Death is a term used to describe the end of life. Death is not a piece of wood.  This verse is an example of the symbollic writings and prophecies of  the bible. 

    There are many scriptures that indicate that hell is not the place of torment that many people think it is.  (Rev. 12:9) Somehow people have been misled about the truth for many years.  Hell is just the common graveyards and cemetaries that exist here on earth.  I implore you to do further study on hell in your spare time.  We will touch on this topic further at a later date. 

Afterword:  I am Clayton Dunmore a writer and editor for this newsletter.  I will be enlisting the help of other writers for this newsletter.  Zealous persons and god fearing writers are needed.  I am not a prophet.  I do have many years of theological study under my belt.  I became an ordained minister with a different organization and the knowledge I gained from the 66 books of the bible is priceless.  You may not believe everything you read in this newsletter at first.  If you do the research on the conclusions and messages that are dispensed, you will see that there is strong validity in these teachings.  It is not our intent to fool anyone or add anything to the 66 books of the bible.  Thank you; and please read the next Truthseeker newsletter.

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3 Comments »

  1. True….Hell was not intended for Men but Satan and his army of rebellious angles. This place is in the Spirit Relm but so are the souls and spirits of men. But Men do go there ….Like in the parable told by Jesus of the Rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16. about the prophetic warnings given by Jesus himself in Matthew 13:41, 49-50 & Matthew 25:30, 41. In these the Prophet of God is speaking literally and spiritually.

    Comment by Julio Jackson — April 9, 2010 @ 10:34 pm | Reply

    • In response to MR. Julio Jackson’s comment; After taking a look at all the scriptures that you put in your response….My belief in hell being simply the cemetaries that men erect and the graveyards that dead men lay in a state of sleep has not changed. Many persons will always believe that hell is a place of torture where humans can be tortured forever. My belief is not based on opinion however. I proved the point that in some instances the bible uses the word fire symbolically and not literally. At revelations 20:14 death is said to be thrown into the lake of fire. Hades is also said to be thrown into the lake of fire. Once again, “death” is not something that can be just thrown into a fire. Death is not a piece of would, it is a state of inactivity. The lake of fire is used symbolically to represent an end. When things burn they can evaporate of change into ashes thus meeting an end. At Luke chapter 16 verse 23 it speaks of the rich man as being in Hades and existing in torments. There have been instances in the past where persons have been buried alive. Recently I was watching the history channel and they were discussing times when persons have been buried alive. The body can appear to be dead. A person may even be in a state where their pulse cannot be felt and still revive. It is scientifically possible. According to the show I saw on the history channel, it has happened many times in the past also. This could explain what happened. God could have also used his force to revive the man. If a person regains life in this state they would most likely be in a state of bewilderment and also be very thirsty. Regardless of the stae he was in, the scriptures say that he saw Abraham and then called to Abraham and asked him to send Lazarus to “dip the tip of his finger in water” and cool his tongue. The man also claimed that he was in a blazing fire. I tend to believe that either the man was hallucinating as he could have been in a state of bewilderment if he had just risen from the graveyard or he was just using a saying to describe what he felt like. He probably felt like he was in a “Blazing fire”. It was written that the man saw Abraham. If hell is a place of torment; Why would Abraham appear there? Abraham was a righteous man who died in good favor with god. Many Jehovahs witnesses have the same belief on hell as I do. Many people believe otherwise. Arguing about hell is not the most important thing in this world. There are more important topics to discuss, such as, “Can we live forever?” “Will the earth ever be destroyed?” “Who will go to heaven?” and “What is gods will for us?” If you choose to believe that hell is a place of eternal torment for man, that is your choice. From all the studies I have done on hell, I lean strongly towards the conclusion that Hell is simply the grave or cemetaries that we erect. Remember what it sais at John 5:28 and 29. We will all be judged for our actions so we are still accountable.

      Comment by truthseekerny — April 10, 2010 @ 3:33 pm | Reply

  2. First I’d like to thank you for your labor in the word to study the word of God and to get believers talking in depth about the scriptures. Whenever people are willing to deal with what the means then understanding can be increased. A key thing to keep in mind is that we were all saved by grace and that no man is above another. We are not better but better off if we have revelation. Even if one man is in error we should remember to pray that God open the eyes of our own understanding to help the brother. Shall I come with rod or in love with a Spirit of Gentleness. When God gives revelation the first person he wants to receive it is you! Each man’s work will be tested by fire so we should discuss the word of God with reverence because each one of us is going to be tested. This means there should be a manifestation of what God told you showing in you first. I am not interested or impressed with theology I am more impressed with the progression of truth by rightly dividing the word. There is lots of confusion about hell and I also have not been given the full meaning of it. I beseech you therefore brethren to hear patiently.

    Most of us have been handed traditions by our families or the churches we attended as children. The churches mission was to recruit as many people as possible so that we would all get saved so that none of us would go to hell. We were told that if we did not pray Romans 10:9 that we would be cast into a fire for the rest of our lives with Satin because we did not except Christ. We were also told about the beast in the book of Revelation and how they would come out of hell to kill us if we were still on earth after the rapture. According to this doctrine the only thing that God uses to differentiate us from sinners is 1 verse in the bible. According to this doctrine a person who gave their entire life to helping people could still be burned up forever and ever unless they say the “sinner’s prayer”. According to this doctrine God is a respecter of persons and likes us because we chose him? The question becomes did we choose Christ or did Christ choose us? If Christ did choose us then what makes us so special that we get the streets of Gold and the other person who didn’t say Romans 10:9 gets burned up forever! Whose doctrine is this and where did it come from? I tell you what is going to hell is man’s false doctrines. The author of truth seeker couldn’t have said it better about specific meanings i.e. hell and Sheol. Even David said “you will not leave my soul in hell” Psalm 16:10” well how could David have been alive and praying these words. Could it be that hell is not a physical place? Could it be the hell is realm that we experience here on earth? Hell was that David’s mind was tormented at times? Rev 20:10 Hell is a place of torment…Spiritually. Many who are Christians are still in hell today because their lives don’t line up with the word of God. They accuse another brother to Hell according their religious understanding. Rev 20:10 also says that the beast and the false profits are cast into the lake so it is not the innocent that will burn it is those who misuse the word of God! Amen! This is why the Lords pray says “thy kingdom come thy will be done on earth”. Hell and heaven are realms that can be received on earth. Earth is our body and it means that these realms are right on the inside of us. The last enemy to be destroyed is death

    I watch families being tormented hanging on the edge of their loved one’s death bed because they hope that their loved one’s last words are Jesus. As if Jesus is confined to the part of life that we see in this world. The bible says the Jesus overcame death so that death no longer has dominion over us. This means a person could die without accepting Christ and the love of God could still save his soul. The bible says where the Spirit of the Lord is there is Liberty. Where is the liberty in a doctrine that condemns a man to death if the man does live up to the law? I would suggest that anyone who thinks that God will condemn his own creation should study Galatians to understand the Spirit of legalism. This spirit says if you don’t do it by the book…you’re a goner. Well we have to remember that Christ is the book and the book is on the inside of us. It’s called the ministry of grace! See the ministry of grace demonstrated throughout Ephesians. The bible say eyes have not seen ear has not heard nor has entered in to the hearts of man the things that God prepared for those who love Him. This means that God’s love for us is greater than anything we can understand. The scripture also says His ways are higher than our ways; His thoughts are higher than our thoughts. This means that a man’s nature is to punish for bad deeds but God’s see’s everything as Good in the end. He who began a good work is faithful to complete it until Christ comes.

    Jesus said if you don’t believe me, believe My works In all of our conversations God still wants to see a resemblance of himself. Otherwise our great revelations become a stumbling block to the next brother and they profit to more ungodliness. If you wish you can search the scriptures to verify my message but the key point here is that God is love. THE DOCTRINES OF ETERNAL HELL ARE NOT SCRIPTURAL AND DO NOT LINE UP WITH THE NATURE AND CHARACTER OF GOD…ACCORDING TO GRACE!

    Farwell Brethren God Bless You-Bro David/Jamal

    Comment by Jamal/David Sanders — April 20, 2010 @ 6:19 pm | Reply


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